Energy options for the future

I found a very good discussion on future energy needs, and of course with it goes assumptions  of population growth, per capita energy usage, and the technology potentials.

It starts here;

great links mentioned in the comments; about population assumptions, technical extrapolations;

limits to energy growth;

A cautionary tale about how much energy from renewable sources can be installed shows the gap between what is needed and what can be supplied;

Little mention of nuclear power and its most promising offspring, Thorium based nuclear plants which are very safe to operate and can actually consume the plutonium and other waste from those nasty spent fuel rods!

The chinese are active in reviving this originally american technology that got shut down under Nixon as the military wanted plutonium making nuke plants instead of the much safer Thorium based Molten Salt plants, known as MSR.

These new and relatively low cost and simple plants might just fill the gap we may face soon, according to this story:

Followup: Why don’t we ditch nukes and coal?

June 10, 2011

Dear Cecil:

[Concerning your April column on whether nuclear power is safe:] Nuclear power sucks. Coal power sucks more. Boggles my mind that we don’t just ditch them both and use options we know are better.

— Randvek, via the Straight Dope Message Board

Cecil replies:

Ah, a believer in alternative energy. You think if we build enough windmills, install enough solar panels, and distill enough ethanol from corn we’ll be able to dispense with noxious energy sources such as coal and nuclear power. I admire this noble goal. One needs to ask, however, whether it’s actually possible. Let’s browse amongst the databases and see what we can find out.

Here’s just the thing — a 2006 paper by MIT chemistry professor Daniel Nocera entitled “On the Future of Global Energy.” Nocera’s twofold ambition: one, to see how much energy the world is going to need by midcentury. Two, to figure out where we might get it. Glancing through this, Randvek, I have to be honest: things are looking a little grim.

The first thing we learn is that, according to UN experts, world population is expected to reach around nine billion people by midcentury and then stabilize. The stabilization part is good, if maybe surprising to those raised on scare talk about the population explosion. The bad part is that nine billion is two billion more than we’ve got now. Given that almost half the world lives on less than $2.50 a day as it is, you can appreciate that coming up with enough food, shelter, and yes, energy to keep everybody happy is going to present some challenges.

The second thing to understand is that we damn well better keep everybody happy. The projection that world population is going to stabilize is based on the observation that, as people become more urbanized and at least a little more prosperous, they have smaller families. That’s a worldwide trend. In Japan and much of Europe, in fact, the population is actually declining. The flip side is that if people remain impoverished villagers, they continue having big families and total world population keeps going up. In other words, a stable future is predicated on a modicum of global urban affluence. To the extent the world stays rural and poor, eventually much of it starves.

The third thing to understand is that the more affluent people become, the more energy they use. That doesn’t necessarily mean U.S.-scale two-SUVs-and-a-vacation-home-type affluence. Most of the world would be content with, you know, running water and electric lights.

How much energy will that take? In 2002, Nocera points out, the global energy consumption rate was 13.5 terawatts. What will it be in 2050? If everybody were to burn through the juice at the current U.S. rate, Nocera calculates, we’d need 102 terawatts — seven times as much. Chances of our producing that: zero.

Instead, Nocera conservatively pegs annual global energy usage circa 2050 at between 28 terawatts — which assumes average consumption at the same rate as in present-day Poland — and 35 terawatts, roughly the rate now seen in Samoa. You may say: Samoa sounds like a lifestyle I could get used to. That’s sporting of you, but it still means we’ll need about 15 to 20 more terawatts of energy than we’re consuming right now.

Where will it come from? Nocera runs through some possibilities:

  • First, biomass. If we devote all the arable land on earth to energy production rather than food crops and presumably just don’t eat, we could generate 7 to 10 terawatts.
  • Next, wind. If we build wind farms on 100 percent of the sufficiently windy land, we could produce 2.1 terawatts.
  • Third, hydroelectric. If we dam all the remaining rivers, we could come up with 0.7 to 2 additional terawatts.
  • Finally, nuclear. I know you don’t like nukes, Randvek, but the professor’s evident aim was to tote up all power sources that aren’t net emitters of greenhouse gases. He thinks we could produce 8 terawatts by constructing 8,000 nuclear power plants, which would mean one new plant every two days for the next 40 years.

Total: around 18 to 22 terawatts. In other words, if we squeeze out every available watt of alternative energy on the planet, and build nukes at an impossibly aggressive rate, we’ll barely keep up with the energy needed to support even a modest standard of living for the world’s people.

In reality, we’ll need to find additional energy somewhere. Nocera’s solution is to push for a technological breakthrough in solar power, currently a relatively trivial contributor to the world energy mix. Good luck, seriously. Barring that, however, we’re stuck with more coal, oil, and gas, and you know the problems with those.

My point isn’t that the situation is hopeless, although it certainly gives one pause. All I’m saying is we need to dispense with the illusory notion of “alternative” energy, which suggests we’ll get to be choosy about energy sources. Sorry, not going to happen. We’ll have to use them all.

— Cecil Adams


I like reading your blog a lot. I don’t know if you already know or like the Low-Tech Magazine by Kris De Decker ( ).

A quote from their site:
Low-tech Magazine refuses to assume that every problem has a high-tech solution. A simple, sensible, but nevertheless controversial message; high-tech has become the idol of our society.

Instead, Low-tech Magazine talks about the potential of past and often forgotten knowledge and technologies when it comes to designing a sustainable society. Sometimes, these low-tech solutions could be copied without any changes. More often, interesting possibilities arise when you combine old technology with new knowledge and new materials, or when you apply old concepts and traditional knowledge to modern technology. We also keep an eye on what is happening in the developing world, where resource constraints often lead to inventive, low-tech solutions.

Underlying the common view of a high-tech sustainable society is the belief that we don’t have to change our affluent lifestyle. This is not a realistic view, but it sells. However, changing our lifestyle does not mean that we have to go back to the middle ages and give up all modern comforts. A downsized, sustainable industrial civilization is very well possible – and more fun, too!


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